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		<title>By: Tony Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear ones we must be ever mindful of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, I have never heard Mr. Bentley preach or teach so I will not accuse one I&#039;ve never heard or seen.  But I do know the word of God clearly teaches in the last days, &quot;even the most learned will be deceived&quot; meaning if any believer believes he/she cannot be deceived then your deceived already (I do not mean this harshly its just fact) the Apostle Paul speaks about this kind of attitude in his ltr to the Galatians 5th or 6th chapter.  So we must be ever deligent Ephesians speaks about false teachers&#039;  and pastors&#039; parading around as &quot;light&quot; basically if Satan parades around like an &quot;angel of light&quot; then why not his servants?  No we must not be critical when God is doing a &quot;new thing&quot; but it will not be outside of his written word.  The Lord himself said, &quot;there will be many who come in my name, saying they are Christ, saying I am here and there don&#039;t not follow them for I am none of those places.&quot;  I am reminded of a verse of scripture in the bk of Isaiah, w/God speaking saying, &quot;the reason that the false prophets are flurshing is because you want it so&quot; and of course Paul saying, &quot;the people will heap up for themselves pastors&#039; and teachers&#039; itching there ears&quot; notice in both verses of scripture &quot;what we wanted or what we wanted to receive.&quot;  So this is not a time for us not to be mindful remember the verse &quot; a workman not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth&quot; or  &quot;silly laden women (and men) ever learning but never coming into the knowledge of the truth.&quot;  Or you could say, &quot;ever seeing and not seeing, ever hearing and not hearing (this can be true in both the positive and negative)&quot; I think this is true of the children of Israel when requesting and wanting a king like the nations around (did they not see the wickedness of the nations around them, but even in the midst of seeing they refused to see and hear and said, &quot;nay we will still have a king of our own flesh and blood.&quot;).  And as far the verses used from Zechariah 5:9-10 I do not believe these women are angels, but are symbols of the wicked condition of the nation and that God will do away w/all evil in the future and yes Paul does speak of not getting ourselves caught up in things that have no relevance at all, but accomplish only to separate and cause schism in the family of God.  And thus in my opinion there is nothing in scripture indicating female angels perhaps this &quot;Emma&quot; spoken of by Mr. Bentley is more symbolic than an angel just as the whore of babylon is symbolic of the world system which I believe these (2) women characterize in the bk of Zechariah.  The Lord does not want us getting caught up in every strange wind and doctrine, because when the ultimate False Prophet comes on the scene he to will be duplicating the miracles performed by the prophets Moses and Elijah remember the prophets are subject to the prophets and we know one of the symbols of a prophet is an eagle which symbolizes both true and false.  If you all would allow me a comical or nostalgic moment, I&#039;m reminded of the end portion of the movie Star Wars epidode II:  Attack of the Clones, when Master Obi Wan said, &quot;if it hadn&#039;t been for the clones we would&#039;ve won the victory, then Master Yoda said, &quot;victory you say Master Obi Wan, not victory the shroud of the dark side has fallen, behold the clone wars begin&quot; (excuse me I&#039;m a star wars fan (smile)).  But notice was not Master Obi Wan a learned man, but he was deceived as was the prophet spoken of in the bk of Kings who was directed by God not to tarry, but was deceived by another prophet and because of his blindness and disobedience was struck down by God sending a lion to kill him.  So friends know the word of God for yourselves for we are required to do so and know that those who are our leaders&#039; are just as capable of a lack of discernment for the word of God says so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear ones we must be ever mindful of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, I have never heard Mr. Bentley preach or teach so I will not accuse one I&#39;ve never heard or seen.  But I do know the word of God clearly teaches in the last days, &#8220;even the most learned will be deceived&#8221; meaning if any believer believes he/she cannot be deceived then your deceived already (I do not mean this harshly its just fact) the Apostle Paul speaks about this kind of attitude in his ltr to the Galatians 5th or 6th chapter.  So we must be ever deligent Ephesians speaks about false teachers&#39;  and pastors&#39; parading around as &#8220;light&#8221; basically if Satan parades around like an &#8220;angel of light&#8221; then why not his servants?  No we must not be critical when God is doing a &#8220;new thing&#8221; but it will not be outside of his written word.  The Lord himself said, &#8220;there will be many who come in my name, saying they are Christ, saying I am here and there don&#39;t not follow them for I am none of those places.&#8221;  I am reminded of a verse of scripture in the bk of Isaiah, w/God speaking saying, &#8220;the reason that the false prophets are flurshing is because you want it so&#8221; and of course Paul saying, &#8220;the people will heap up for themselves pastors&#39; and teachers&#39; itching there ears&#8221; notice in both verses of scripture &#8220;what we wanted or what we wanted to receive.&#8221;  So this is not a time for us not to be mindful remember the verse &#8221; a workman not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth&#8221; or  &#8220;silly laden women (and men) ever learning but never coming into the knowledge of the truth.&#8221;  Or you could say, &#8220;ever seeing and not seeing, ever hearing and not hearing (this can be true in both the positive and negative)&#8221; I think this is true of the children of Israel when requesting and wanting a king like the nations around (did they not see the wickedness of the nations around them, but even in the midst of seeing they refused to see and hear and said, &#8220;nay we will still have a king of our own flesh and blood.&#8221;).  And as far the verses used from Zechariah 5:9-10 I do not believe these women are angels, but are symbols of the wicked condition of the nation and that God will do away w/all evil in the future and yes Paul does speak of not getting ourselves caught up in things that have no relevance at all, but accomplish only to separate and cause schism in the family of God.  And thus in my opinion there is nothing in scripture indicating female angels perhaps this &#8220;Emma&#8221; spoken of by Mr. Bentley is more symbolic than an angel just as the whore of babylon is symbolic of the world system which I believe these (2) women characterize in the bk of Zechariah.  The Lord does not want us getting caught up in every strange wind and doctrine, because when the ultimate False Prophet comes on the scene he to will be duplicating the miracles performed by the prophets Moses and Elijah remember the prophets are subject to the prophets and we know one of the symbols of a prophet is an eagle which symbolizes both true and false.  If you all would allow me a comical or nostalgic moment, I&#39;m reminded of the end portion of the movie Star Wars epidode II:  Attack of the Clones, when Master Obi Wan said, &#8220;if it hadn&#39;t been for the clones we would&#39;ve won the victory, then Master Yoda said, &#8220;victory you say Master Obi Wan, not victory the shroud of the dark side has fallen, behold the clone wars begin&#8221; (excuse me I&#39;m a star wars fan (smile)).  But notice was not Master Obi Wan a learned man, but he was deceived as was the prophet spoken of in the bk of Kings who was directed by God not to tarry, but was deceived by another prophet and because of his blindness and disobedience was struck down by God sending a lion to kill him.  So friends know the word of God for yourselves for we are required to do so and know that those who are our leaders&#39; are just as capable of a lack of discernment for the word of God says so.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear ones we must be ever mindful of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, I have never heard Mr. Bentley preach or teach so I will not accuse one I&#039;ve never heard or seen.  But I do know the word of God clearly teaches in the last days, &quot;even the most learned will be deceived&quot; meaning if any believer believes he/she cannot be deceived then your deceived already (I do not mean this harshly its just fact) the Apostle Paul speaks about this kind of attitude in his ltr to the Galatians 5th or 6th chapter.  So we must be ever deligent Ephesians speaks about false teachers&#039;  and pastors&#039; parading around as &quot;light&quot; basically if Satan parades around like an &quot;angel of light&quot; then why not his servants?  No we must not be critical when God is doing a &quot;new thing&quot; but it will not be outside of his written word.  The Lord himself said, &quot;there will be many who come in my name, saying they are Christ, saying I am here and there don&#039;t not follow them for I am none of those places.&quot;  I am reminded of a verse of scripture in the bk of Isaiah, w/God speaking saying, &quot;the reason that the false prophets are flurshing is because you want it so&quot; and of course Paul saying, &quot;the people will heap up for themselves pastors&#039; and teachers&#039; itching there ears&quot; notice in both verses of scripture &quot;what we wanted or what we wanted to receive.&quot;  So this is not a time for us not to be mindful remember the verse &quot; a workman not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth&quot; or  &quot;silly laden women (and men) ever learning but never coming into the knowledge of the truth.&quot;  Or you could say, &quot;ever seeing and not seeing, ever hearing and not hearing (this can be true in both the positive and negative)&quot; I think this is true of the children of Israel when requesting and wanting a king like the nations around (did they not see the wickedness of the nations around them, but even in the midst of seeing they refused to see and hear and said, &quot;nay we will still have a king of our own flesh and blood.&quot;).  And as far the verses used from Zechariah 5:9-10 I do not believe these women are angels, but are symbols of the wicked condition of the nation and that God will do away w/all evil in the future and yes Paul does speak of not getting ourselves caught up in things that have no relevance at all, but accomplish only to separate and cause schism in the family of God.  And thus in my opinion there is nothing in scripture indicating female angels perhaps this &quot;Emma&quot; spoken of by Mr. Bentley is more symbolic than an angel just as the whore of babylon is symbolic of the world system which I believe these (2) women characterize in the bk of Zechariah.  The Lord does not want us getting caught up in every strange wind and doctrine, because when the ultimate False Prophet comes on the scene he to will be duplicating the miracles performed by the prophets Moses and Elijah remember the prophets are subject to the prophets and we know one of the symbols of a prophet is an eagle which symbolizes both true and false.  If you all would allow me a comical or nostalgic moment, I&#039;m reminded of the end portion of the movie Star Wars epidode II:  Attack of the Clones, when Master Obi Wan said, &quot;if it hadn&#039;t been for the clones we would&#039;ve won the victory, then Master Yoda said, &quot;victory you say Master Obi Wan, not victory the shroud of the dark side has fallen, behold the clone wars begin&quot; (excuse me I&#039;m a star wars fan (smile)).  But notice was not Master Obi Wan a learned man, but he was deceived as was the prophet spoken of in the bk of Kings who was directed by God not to tarry, but was deceived by another prophet and because of his blindness and disobedience was struck down by God sending a lion to kill him.  So friends know the word of God for yourselves for we are required to do so and know that those who are our leaders&#039; are just as capable of a lack of discernment for the word of God says so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear ones we must be ever mindful of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, I have never heard Mr. Bentley preach or teach so I will not accuse one I&#39;ve never heard or seen.  But I do know the word of God clearly teaches in the last days, &#8220;even the most learned will be deceived&#8221; meaning if any believer believes he/she cannot be deceived then your deceived already (I do not mean this harshly its just fact) the Apostle Paul speaks about this kind of attitude in his ltr to the Galatians 5th or 6th chapter.  So we must be ever deligent Ephesians speaks about false teachers&#39;  and pastors&#39; parading around as &#8220;light&#8221; basically if Satan parades around like an &#8220;angel of light&#8221; then why not his servants?  No we must not be critical when God is doing a &#8220;new thing&#8221; but it will not be outside of his written word.  The Lord himself said, &#8220;there will be many who come in my name, saying they are Christ, saying I am here and there don&#39;t not follow them for I am none of those places.&#8221;  I am reminded of a verse of scripture in the bk of Isaiah, w/God speaking saying, &#8220;the reason that the false prophets are flurshing is because you want it so&#8221; and of course Paul saying, &#8220;the people will heap up for themselves pastors&#39; and teachers&#39; itching there ears&#8221; notice in both verses of scripture &#8220;what we wanted or what we wanted to receive.&#8221;  So this is not a time for us not to be mindful remember the verse &#8221; a workman not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth&#8221; or  &#8220;silly laden women (and men) ever learning but never coming into the knowledge of the truth.&#8221;  Or you could say, &#8220;ever seeing and not seeing, ever hearing and not hearing (this can be true in both the positive and negative)&#8221; I think this is true of the children of Israel when requesting and wanting a king like the nations around (did they not see the wickedness of the nations around them, but even in the midst of seeing they refused to see and hear and said, &#8220;nay we will still have a king of our own flesh and blood.&#8221;).  And as far the verses used from Zechariah 5:9-10 I do not believe these women are angels, but are symbols of the wicked condition of the nation and that God will do away w/all evil in the future and yes Paul does speak of not getting ourselves caught up in things that have no relevance at all, but accomplish only to separate and cause schism in the family of God.  And thus in my opinion there is nothing in scripture indicating female angels perhaps this &#8220;Emma&#8221; spoken of by Mr. Bentley is more symbolic than an angel just as the whore of babylon is symbolic of the world system which I believe these (2) women characterize in the bk of Zechariah.  The Lord does not want us getting caught up in every strange wind and doctrine, because when the ultimate False Prophet comes on the scene he to will be duplicating the miracles performed by the prophets Moses and Elijah remember the prophets are subject to the prophets and we know one of the symbols of a prophet is an eagle which symbolizes both true and false.  If you all would allow me a comical or nostalgic moment, I&#39;m reminded of the end portion of the movie Star Wars epidode II:  Attack of the Clones, when Master Obi Wan said, &#8220;if it hadn&#39;t been for the clones we would&#39;ve won the victory, then Master Yoda said, &#8220;victory you say Master Obi Wan, not victory the shroud of the dark side has fallen, behold the clone wars begin&#8221; (excuse me I&#39;m a star wars fan (smile)).  But notice was not Master Obi Wan a learned man, but he was deceived as was the prophet spoken of in the bk of Kings who was directed by God not to tarry, but was deceived by another prophet and because of his blindness and disobedience was struck down by God sending a lion to kill him.  So friends know the word of God for yourselves for we are required to do so and know that those who are our leaders&#39; are just as capable of a lack of discernment for the word of God says so.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burton</title>
		<link>http://johnburton.net/blog/2009/02/deception-in-the-church-strange-fire-in-the-house-of-the-lord-colorado-springs-church-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very important post... it can help bring some clarity to an often argued issue: if it&#039;s not mentioned in the Bible, is it therefore condemned by God?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s say, that female angels aren&#039;t mentioned in scripture, does that mean any time someone might encounter a female angel, that it&#039;s in fact a demon?  No, we cannot make that leap.  The reason this is so hugely important is because a misunderstanding of this point could cause some to rush to judgment and declare a man of God who&#039;s flowing in power an agent of the devil!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is very serious!  Todd Bentley, for example, has been declared a heretic by many on the Emma issue alone.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, many argue that scripture does in fact mention female angels:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Zechariah 5:9-10 (NKJV) 9 Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were two women, coming with the wind in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven. 10 So I said to the angel who talked with me, &quot;Where are they carrying the basket?&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If scripture is silent on an issue isn&#039;t evidence enough to deem it unscriptural.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is a difference between something being renounced by scripture and something not being addressed by scripture.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This isn&#039;t a new issue... someone once said that the church isn&#039;t mostly divided on what the Bible does say as it is on what the Bible doesn&#039;t say.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At the risk of seeming silly, let me ask a question: The Bible says nothing about someone&#039;s left hand trembling in the presence of God.  Does that mean, that if someone&#039;s hand starts to shake, that it&#039;s not God?  It&#039;s a demon?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course not.  There is MUCH the Bible doesn&#039;t address, and we can&#039;t simply presume it to be demonically driven.  Of course, the rule always remains: if scripture condemns it, then we must also.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Additionally, we must discern for ourselves as we encounter God... yes, there is risk of deception, yes there are demons who come as angels of light, etc... but, it&#039;s not confusing.  We are not to be fearful or nervous about the issue.  God is going to do MUCH as revival breaks out... and if we&#039;re not careful we&#039;ll shut God down out of our own anxiety.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember what John said of Jesus:&lt;br&gt;John 21:25 (NKJV) And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very important post&#8230; it can help bring some clarity to an often argued issue: if it&#39;s not mentioned in the Bible, is it therefore condemned by God?</p>
<p>Let&#39;s say, that female angels aren&#39;t mentioned in scripture, does that mean any time someone might encounter a female angel, that it&#39;s in fact a demon?  No, we cannot make that leap.  The reason this is so hugely important is because a misunderstanding of this point could cause some to rush to judgment and declare a man of God who&#39;s flowing in power an agent of the devil!  </p>
<p>This is very serious!  Todd Bentley, for example, has been declared a heretic by many on the Emma issue alone.  </p>
<p>In fact, many argue that scripture does in fact mention female angels:</p>
<p>Zechariah 5:9-10 (NKJV) 9 Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were two women, coming with the wind in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven. 10 So I said to the angel who talked with me, &#8220;Where are they carrying the basket?&#8221; </p>
<p>If scripture is silent on an issue isn&#39;t evidence enough to deem it unscriptural.  </p>
<p>There is a difference between something being renounced by scripture and something not being addressed by scripture.</p>
<p>This isn&#39;t a new issue&#8230; someone once said that the church isn&#39;t mostly divided on what the Bible does say as it is on what the Bible doesn&#39;t say.</p>
<p>At the risk of seeming silly, let me ask a question: The Bible says nothing about someone&#39;s left hand trembling in the presence of God.  Does that mean, that if someone&#39;s hand starts to shake, that it&#39;s not God?  It&#39;s a demon?</p>
<p>Of course not.  There is MUCH the Bible doesn&#39;t address, and we can&#39;t simply presume it to be demonically driven.  Of course, the rule always remains: if scripture condemns it, then we must also.</p>
<p>Additionally, we must discern for ourselves as we encounter God&#8230; yes, there is risk of deception, yes there are demons who come as angels of light, etc&#8230; but, it&#39;s not confusing.  We are not to be fearful or nervous about the issue.  God is going to do MUCH as revival breaks out&#8230; and if we&#39;re not careful we&#39;ll shut God down out of our own anxiety.</p>
<p>Remember what John said of Jesus:<br />John 21:25 (NKJV) And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry...i just read the responses from the pair of you. I agree with what Grady said, especially since I&#039;ve seen and experienced the difference between real and false miricles. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just because something is real doesnt mean its from God, for sure. However, I absolutely believe in miricles and insane acts of God because I&#039;ve experienced them, and, more importantly, they are displayed in the Word of God, by which, I test ALL things.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also believe that sometimes people think that demons are angels, when they&#039;re really demons. And sometimes people blindly follow whatever they feel or whatever pastor&#039;s say without testing anything, which is dangerous more than you know. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Bently...he was hearing from an &quot;angel&quot; named EMMA who manifested gold dust. Oddly enough, Emma is the demon of the satanic bible who manifests gold and is the &quot;goddess of the underworld&quot; or something along those lines. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sure the devil has counterfeits and yada yada, but this is fairly blatent. Esp since female angels dont exist in Biblical scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230;i just read the responses from the pair of you. I agree with what Grady said, especially since I&#39;ve seen and experienced the difference between real and false miricles. </p>
<p>Just because something is real doesnt mean its from God, for sure. However, I absolutely believe in miricles and insane acts of God because I&#39;ve experienced them, and, more importantly, they are displayed in the Word of God, by which, I test ALL things.</p>
<p>I also believe that sometimes people think that demons are angels, when they&#39;re really demons. And sometimes people blindly follow whatever they feel or whatever pastor&#39;s say without testing anything, which is dangerous more than you know. </p>
<p>As for Bently&#8230;he was hearing from an &#8220;angel&#8221; named EMMA who manifested gold dust. Oddly enough, Emma is the demon of the satanic bible who manifests gold and is the &#8220;goddess of the underworld&#8221; or something along those lines. </p>
<p>Sure the devil has counterfeits and yada yada, but this is fairly blatent. Esp since female angels dont exist in Biblical scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said by Lee Grady! Very well said!</description>
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		<title>By: John Burton</title>
		<link>http://johnburton.net/blog/2009/02/deception-in-the-church-strange-fire-in-the-house-of-the-lord-colorado-springs-church-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very important post... it can help bring some clarity to an often argued issue: if it&#039;s not mentioned in the Bible, is it therefore condemned by God?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s say, that female angels aren&#039;t mentioned in scripture, does that mean any time someone might encounter a female angel, that it&#039;s in fact a demon?  No, we cannot make that leap.  The reason this is so hugely important is because a misunderstanding of this point could cause some to rush to judgment and declare a man of God who&#039;s flowing in power an agent of the devil!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is very serious!  Todd Bentley, for example, has been declared a heretic by many on the Emma issue alone.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, many argue that scripture does in fact mention female angels:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Zechariah 5:9-10 (NKJV) 9 Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were two women, coming with the wind in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven. 10 So I said to the angel who talked with me, &quot;Where are they carrying the basket?&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If scripture is silent on an issue isn&#039;t evidence enough to deem it unscriptural.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is a difference between something being renounced by scripture and something not being addressed by scripture.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This isn&#039;t a new issue... someone once said that the church isn&#039;t mostly divided on what the Bible does say as it is on what the Bible doesn&#039;t say.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At the risk of seeming silly, let me ask a question: The Bible says nothing about someone&#039;s left hand trembling in the presence of God.  Does that mean, that if someone&#039;s hand starts to shake, that it&#039;s not God?  It&#039;s a demon?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course not.  There is MUCH the Bible doesn&#039;t address, and we can&#039;t simply presume it to be demonically driven.  Of course, the rule always remains: if scripture condemns it, then we must also.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Additionally, we must discern for ourselves as we encounter God... yes, there is risk of deception, yes there are demons who come as angels of light, etc... but, it&#039;s not confusing.  We are not to be fearful or nervous about the issue.  God is going to do MUCH as revival breaks out... and if we&#039;re not careful we&#039;ll shut God down out of our own anxiety.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember what John said of Jesus:&lt;br&gt;John 21:25 (NKJV) And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very important post&#8230; it can help bring some clarity to an often argued issue: if it&#39;s not mentioned in the Bible, is it therefore condemned by God?</p>
<p>Let&#39;s say, that female angels aren&#39;t mentioned in scripture, does that mean any time someone might encounter a female angel, that it&#39;s in fact a demon?  No, we cannot make that leap.  The reason this is so hugely important is because a misunderstanding of this point could cause some to rush to judgment and declare a man of God who&#39;s flowing in power an agent of the devil!  </p>
<p>This is very serious!  Todd Bentley, for example, has been declared a heretic by many on the Emma issue alone.  </p>
<p>In fact, many argue that scripture does in fact mention female angels:</p>
<p>Zechariah 5:9-10 (NKJV) 9 Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were two women, coming with the wind in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven. 10 So I said to the angel who talked with me, &#8220;Where are they carrying the basket?&#8221; </p>
<p>If scripture is silent on an issue isn&#39;t evidence enough to deem it unscriptural.  </p>
<p>There is a difference between something being renounced by scripture and something not being addressed by scripture.</p>
<p>This isn&#39;t a new issue&#8230; someone once said that the church isn&#39;t mostly divided on what the Bible does say as it is on what the Bible doesn&#39;t say.</p>
<p>At the risk of seeming silly, let me ask a question: The Bible says nothing about someone&#39;s left hand trembling in the presence of God.  Does that mean, that if someone&#39;s hand starts to shake, that it&#39;s not God?  It&#39;s a demon?</p>
<p>Of course not.  There is MUCH the Bible doesn&#39;t address, and we can&#39;t simply presume it to be demonically driven.  Of course, the rule always remains: if scripture condemns it, then we must also.</p>
<p>Additionally, we must discern for ourselves as we encounter God&#8230; yes, there is risk of deception, yes there are demons who come as angels of light, etc&#8230; but, it&#39;s not confusing.  We are not to be fearful or nervous about the issue.  God is going to do MUCH as revival breaks out&#8230; and if we&#39;re not careful we&#39;ll shut God down out of our own anxiety.</p>
<p>Remember what John said of Jesus:<br />John 21:25 (NKJV) And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry...i just read the responses from the pair of you. I agree with what Grady said, especially since I&#039;ve seen and experienced the difference between real and false miricles. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just because something is real doesnt mean its from God, for sure. However, I absolutely believe in miricles and insane acts of God because I&#039;ve experienced them, and, more importantly, they are displayed in the Word of God, by which, I test ALL things.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also believe that sometimes people think that demons are angels, when they&#039;re really demons. And sometimes people blindly follow whatever they feel or whatever pastor&#039;s say without testing anything, which is dangerous more than you know. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Bently...he was hearing from an &quot;angel&quot; named EMMA who manifested gold dust. Oddly enough, Emma is the demon of the satanic bible who manifests gold and is the &quot;goddess of the underworld&quot; or something along those lines. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sure the devil has counterfeits and yada yada, but this is fairly blatent. Esp since female angels dont exist in Biblical scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230;i just read the responses from the pair of you. I agree with what Grady said, especially since I&#39;ve seen and experienced the difference between real and false miricles. </p>
<p>Just because something is real doesnt mean its from God, for sure. However, I absolutely believe in miricles and insane acts of God because I&#39;ve experienced them, and, more importantly, they are displayed in the Word of God, by which, I test ALL things.</p>
<p>I also believe that sometimes people think that demons are angels, when they&#39;re really demons. And sometimes people blindly follow whatever they feel or whatever pastor&#39;s say without testing anything, which is dangerous more than you know. </p>
<p>As for Bently&#8230;he was hearing from an &#8220;angel&#8221; named EMMA who manifested gold dust. Oddly enough, Emma is the demon of the satanic bible who manifests gold and is the &#8220;goddess of the underworld&#8221; or something along those lines. </p>
<p>Sure the devil has counterfeits and yada yada, but this is fairly blatent. Esp since female angels dont exist in Biblical scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said by Lee Grady! Very well said!</description>
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		<title>By: kathisharpe</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the e-book - Mobi something or another - whatever the &quot;download&quot; link is on the publisher&#039;s website. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I had to guess, I&#039;d say that the reader isn&#039;t set up to interpret the publisher&#039;s formatting and it just runs it all as straight text rather than as a normal page. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the e-book &#8211; Mobi something or another &#8211; whatever the &#8220;download&#8221; link is on the publisher&#39;s website. </p>
<p>If I had to guess, I&#39;d say that the reader isn&#39;t set up to interpret the publisher&#39;s formatting and it just runs it all as straight text rather than as a normal page. </p>
<p>Thanks!!</p>
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		<title>By: kathisharpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathisharpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the e-book - Mobi something or another - whatever the &quot;download&quot; link is on the publisher&#039;s website. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I had to guess, I&#039;d say that the reader isn&#039;t set up to interpret the publisher&#039;s formatting and it just runs it all as straight text rather than as a normal page. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the e-book &#8211; Mobi something or another &#8211; whatever the &#8220;download&#8221; link is on the publisher&#39;s website. </p>
<p>If I had to guess, I&#39;d say that the reader isn&#39;t set up to interpret the publisher&#39;s formatting and it just runs it all as straight text rather than as a normal page. </p>
<p>Thanks!!</p>
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